Episodes

Saturday Jan 30, 2021
S1: E18 - The Laredo Axe Murders / Dellen Millard
Saturday Jan 30, 2021
Saturday Jan 30, 2021
Welcome back to Between the Crimes!
Today's episode had a few technical difficulties with our microphones. We're still learning this whole recording process, so please bear with us while we get these kinks ironed out. Thank you all so much for your patience with us while we learn and work to improve this show!
Check out our references:
Miguel Martinez Wiki Satanic Murder
Dellen Millard: Fun-loving heir whose killings stunned Canada
The Murder of Tim Bosma : The Devil Had a Name
Canadian Crimeopedia: Dellen Millard

Thursday Jan 14, 2021
S1: E17 - Yuba County 5 / Marcus Wesson
Thursday Jan 14, 2021
Thursday Jan 14, 2021
Welcome back to Between the Crimes! After a short (maybe long...) hiatus we bring you: Episode Seventeen. Celia's fiancé, Jason, joins us again today due to the craziness of COVID-19. Don't worry though, Jenna will be back again for Episode 18!
We wanted to thank Ashley Flowers at CrimeJunkie for giving us the idea for the Yuba County 5 case for this episode. Hopefully, we did it justice as well. Please click here to check out their podcast episode featuring this story!

Wednesday Dec 09, 2020
S1: E16 - Judith Eva Barsi / Angela Samota
Wednesday Dec 09, 2020
Wednesday Dec 09, 2020

Friday Dec 04, 2020
S1: E15 - Princess Diana / The Cleveland Kidnappings
Friday Dec 04, 2020
Friday Dec 04, 2020

Thursday Nov 26, 2020
S1: E14 - Skylar Neese / Issei Sagawa
Thursday Nov 26, 2020
Thursday Nov 26, 2020
*WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC EPISODE*
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
What better day to release a new episode of Between the Crimes! Just in time for you all to settle down, spend time with family & friends, and get ready for a nice warm meal.
Interestingly enough, we have a very special episode for you today. Brace yourself, this is one of the most graphic and disgusting true crime stories we have ever shared here on this podcast. The faint of heart should not listen to this episode, particularly part two -- and the squeamish should absolutely not listen to this episode before Thanksgiving dinner.
Consider yourself warned...
Join us first for the story of Skylar Neese. She was a 16-year-old girl whose life was brutally cut short by those she trusted most. Personal thank you to the creators and staff of NBC's Dateline for providing us, yet again, with phenomenal information for a case.
Then, hear the graphic and violet story of Issei Sagawa -- the man who got away with a brutal, cannibalistic crime.
Happy holidays!
Important Sources & Other Info
- Documentary films featuring Sagawa include:
- Cannibal Superstar (Viasat Explore, Sweden, 1986, 47 minutes)
- Excuse Me for Living (Channel 4, UK, 1993, 60 minutes)
- The Cannibal That Walked Free (Channel 5, UK, 2007, 46 minutes)
- Interview with a Cannibal (Vice, US, 2011, 34 minutes)
- Caniba (Véréna Paravel and Lucien Castaing-Taylor, France, 2017, 97 minutes)
- A 1986 short film by Olivier Smolders, Adoration, is based on Sagawa's story.[15]
- "Too Much Blood", a song on the Rolling Stones' 1983 album Undercover, is about Sagawa and violence in the media. His crime also inspired the Stranglers' 1981 song "La Folie". The Noise Black Metal band Gnaw Their Tongues also released an EP titled Issei Sagawa in 2006.
- Sagawa's crimes, and his later career as an actor, were discussed in the 2015 documentary Fear Itself by filmmaker Charlie Lyne.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Skylar_Neese
- https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2956846/
- https://www.facebook.com/datelinenbc/posts/tonight-at-87c-we-tell-the-story-of-skylar-neesewatch-a-preview-of-tonights-date/10103902145411179/

Friday Nov 20, 2020
S1: E13 - Ursula Herrmann / Phoebe Handsjuk
Friday Nov 20, 2020
Friday Nov 20, 2020
Welcome back for yet another episode of Between the Crimes.
This week, Celia's story was a tough one to research. The story of Ursula Herrmann comes from Germany back in 1981. This is an unsolved mystery that might frustrate you as much as us. We are extremely grateful for an article written by Xan Rice. We would not have been able to complete this episode without it.
Jenna also has an unsolved mystery for you; she tells the story of Phoebe Handsjuk, a young woman who "fell" down a garbage chute in an apartment building. Did she fall, or was she put in? Shout out to CrimeJunkie for producing an amazing podcast episode about this case!
Do you have thoughts or opinions on these controversial cases? Please comment on our podcast, or feel free to share your thoughts on our social media accounts: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
Sources hyperlinked above, but can also be found here:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/sep/24/ursula-herrmann-germany-kidnapping-mystery
https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/mysterious-death-of-phoebe-handsjuk/

Friday Nov 13, 2020
S1: E12 - Jaycee Lee Dugard / Russell & Shirley Dermond
Friday Nov 13, 2020
Friday Nov 13, 2020
Welcome back to Between the Crimes for another set of true crime stories! We appreciate our listeners being patient with us while we get the hang of this whole podcast, and we want to thank each and every listener for joining us.
You guys all mean the world to us.

Thursday Oct 29, 2020
S1: E11 - Amy Fitzpatrick / Meghan Landowski
Thursday Oct 29, 2020
Thursday Oct 29, 2020
Welcome back!
In today's episode, Jenna & Celia are live again because...podcasting to a blank recording is really, really hard. You can always join us on Podbean for our live episodes. These are typically on Fridays and Saturdays!
Celia tells the mysterious story of the disappearance of Amy Fitzpatrick. This was a very popular case in Europe, and to this day many people still question what exactly happened to her. Brace yourself for the twists and turns of this strange case.
The story of Meghan Landowski is told by Jenna. This is another case that you need to buckle up for. While the case seems simple from the outside, police investigated name after name in order to find Meghan's murderer.
Update: We have updated the audio file of this episode. We are sorry for the loudness of the previous one. Hopefully this update fixes that!

Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
S1: E10 - The Stayner Brothers / Cassie Jo Stoddart
Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
It's our tenth episode!
Thank you guys so much for all of your love & support over the last few months. We're still getting the hang of things here, but we're so excited to continue to share the stories that keep us up at night.
In this episode, Celia shares the story of the Stayner family. Buckle up for this one, because this entire case is insane from start to finish. Shout out to The People History for giving us tons of information on life in the 1970s.
Jenna shares about the gruesome murder of Cassie Jo Stoddart in a story that sounds like it's pulled right out of a horror film. Join us in watching the video that the perpetrators took before, and after committing this disgusting crime. Warning: This can be incredibly difficult to watch, and to wrap your head around.
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Sunday Oct 11, 2020
S1: E9 - Michelle Le / Stephen Port
Sunday Oct 11, 2020
Sunday Oct 11, 2020
Whoops! Looks like we had an error with our previous audio track. Here is the correct Episode 9. Thank you for your patience!
Shout out to all of our listeners for sticking with us the past couple of weeks. It's been a crazy process as Celia bought a new house but we're back with another new episode for you all to enjoy.
Today, listen to Celia tell the tragic story of Michelle Le. She was a young woman who lost her life for reasons that really leave you asking, "Why?" Much of the information for this story was gathered from an episode of Dateline NBC called, "Vanished." Another way to learn more about this story is Kriti Mehrotra's: Michelle Le's Murder: How Did She Die? Who Killed Her?
Jenna discusses the bizarre case of Stephen Port in the United Kingdom. He was a serial killer whose crimes nearly went completely unnoticed by investigators. Strange suicide notes, drug overdoses, and social media make this case a head-scratcher.
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